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John S. or E. Elmer

John S. or E. Elmer[1, 2]

Male 1776 - 1871  (94 years)

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  • Name John S. or E. Elmer 
    • Middle initial of "S" comes from 1851 Iowa Census; Middle initial of "E" comes from Utah County, Utah Cemetery Index
    Born 22 Sep 1776  Orange County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Date and location of birth are confirmed by headstone and the following:
      Utah County, Utah Cemetery Index; Millennium File; Membership Records of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1830-1848; Family Data Collection - Individual Records.
      The vast majority of the trees on ancestry.com indicate that he was born in Sommers, Tolland County Connecticut; however, this conflicts with his headstone and the 1850 and 1860 census which indicate that he was born in Vermont. The headstone indicates he was born in Orange County, Vermont.
    Gender Male 
    Census 1790  Somers, Tolland County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  [3
    John Elmer is not named in the census as he is living in his father's household. He would have been about 14 years old.
    His father is indexed as Wm. Elmer. The members of his household included:
    White males under 16: 2 (William and John)
    White males 16 and over: 1 (William)
    White females: 3 (Wife Mary has died - sons Squire and Davis have also died). The females could be Polly born 1786; Charlotte, born 1790 and Lodisa said to have been born 1791). 
    Census 1800  Hartford, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location  [4
    Indexed as John Elmer. His household consisted of:
    White Males 16 - 25: 1 (John)
    White Males 45 and over: 1 (Unknown)
    White Females 16 - 25: 2 (wife Sarah and one other unknown female)
    Total in household: 4 
    Census 7 Aug 1820  Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location  [5
    Indexed as John Elmer. His household included the following:
    White males under 10: 2 (Samuel and John, Jr.)
    White males 26 - 44: 1 (John)
    White females under 10: 1 (Wealtha or Sarah)
    White females 16 - 25: 1 (Tryphenia or Cynthia)
    White females 26 - 44: 1 (Sarah)
    Persons engaged in manufacturing: 1
    Total in household: 6
    (Not all the members of John's family are accounted for in this census.) 
    Religion Jul 1831  [6
    Membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints:
    John Elmer, Male; Head of House; Father was William Elmer and Mother as Kibby Hibby {Mary Kibbe}; he was born 22 Sept 1776 with 13 Sept 1776 and 22 Sept 1780 being alternate dates; born Somers, Windsor, Connecticut with Somers, Tolland, Connecticut and Hartford County, Connecticut being alternate birth locations; died 28 Feb 1870 in Payson, Utah, Utah
    LDS Church Ordinance Date/Baptism: July 1831; Baptism Date: 1836; Officiator: Hazen Aldridge Ordained High Priest Date: 1848 Officiator: William Snow
    LDS Temple Ordinance Date: Baptism Date: November 9, 1940 Endowment Date: March 14, 1941 Sealed to Parents Date: February 19, 1934 Temple: Salt Lake City, Salt Lake, UT, USA;
    John was a member of the Payson Ward, Utah Stake.
    Household Members:
    John Elmer Self (Head)
    Sally Peake Spouse
    Tryphenia Elmer Child
    Cynthia Elmer Child
    Samuel Fifield Elmer Child
    Wealthy Elmer Child
    John Elmer Child
    Salley Elmer Child
    Hiram King Elmer Child
    William Elmer Child
    Ira Bartlett Elmer Child
     
    Census 1850  Pottawattamie County, Iowa Find all individuals with events at this location  [7
    Indexed as John Elmer, age 70 born abt 1780 in Vermont; he is an LDS preacher; living in District 21; male; family 690; living with wife Harriet, age 40; also in the home are step-children: Louis Branson, 20; Syemour Bransom, 13; and Jerulia Branson, 8 {Brunson} 
    Census 1850  Pottawattamie County, Iowa Find all individuals with events at this location  [8
    Iowa, Pottawattamie County, Annotated Record of U.S. Census, 1850:
    Indexed as John Elmer, male, age 70; born 22 Sept 1776 in Somers, Tolland, Connecticut; LDS Preacher; died 28 Feb 1870; Father was William Elmer; Mother was Mary Kibby; Spouse is Sarah Peake, married 1822 in Norwich Windsor, Vermont; Children of Spouse 1: Tryphenia, Cynthia, Samual Fifield, Wealthy, John, Wealtha, Salley, Hiram King, William, Ira Bartlett; Spouse 2: Harriet Gould whom he married 1839; Children of spouse 2: Jerusha Kibbee and Lucretia; Source: United States Federal Census, 1850; Ancestral File; FamilySearch {NOTE: this record appears to contain some errors.}
    John is living with wife Harriet, age 48; also in the home: Lewis Brunson, 20; Seymour Brunson, 13; and Jerusha Kibbee Elmer, 8 
    Census 1851  Pottawattamie County, Iowa Find all individuals with events at this location  [9
    Indexed as John S. Elmer; No township listed; State or colonial census; IA 1851 State Census Index 
    Arrival 1851  Utah Find all individuals with events at this location 
    John G. Smith Company 1851
    Pioneer Information:
    Evidence from church, newspaper, and genealogical records proves he traveled to Utah in 1851. He appeared on the 1850 Iowa census, enumerated in Oct. 1850. He was on the 1852 Bishop's Report. He received his endowments in Salt Lake in March 1852. These events narrow the window of his travel to Utah to 1851. Other family traditions claim that he came in the 1852 Uriah Curtis company, but that is incorrect. He could have only traveled to Utah in 1851.
    With regard to John Elmer in the pioneer database (author of notes is unknown):
    Although your family information places John Elmer in the 1852 "Lyle" Curtis (probably Uriah Curtis company), stronger evidence more contemporary to the time shows that he came in 1851, not 1852. He and his wife, Harriet, were endowed in Brigham Young's office on 30 March 1852. This is positive proof that he came to Utah in 1851. One might argue that he could have returned to his family that spring after receiving his endowments in Salt Lake. A group of missionaries left Salt Lake on 5 May eastbound, but he was not listed among them. Also his advanced age (73) argues against him doing that. Generally it would take young missionaries traveling at a good pace 6 or more weeks to travel the 1000 miles back to Florence. He would have had little time to rest his stock and resupply for the return trip to Utah. I think the evidence is strong that he came to Utah in 1851 and stayed here to greet the rest of his family who came in the 1852 Curtis company. We see these kind of errors in family biographies frequently. We don't discount family biographies out of hand, but always try to look at primary facts (like endowments, etc.) to see if the biographical statements hold up. In this case, they don't. You may see the record of John Elmer's endowment on 30 Mar. 1852 on FHL film 183393. It is so noted on the IGI 
    Census 1860  Payson, Utah County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location  [10
    Indexed as Jno Elmore, age 84 born abt 1776 in Vermont; he is a shingle maker who owns real estate valued at $150 and personal property valued at $250; male; nearest post office is Payson; living with wife Harriet, 60; living nearby is the Lucious Elmore family and the Ira Elmore family 
    Died 11 Feb 1871  Payson, Utah County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • The family oral history states that John lost his eye sight prior to his death. It is further stated that his death was caused by an accident while teaching the men to fell a tree properly. The tree fell on him. He was partially blind and didn't get out of the way in time. I have no way to determine the validity of this family story.
    Buried 14 Feb 1871  Payson, Utah County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Payson City Cemetery [11, 12, 13]
    John Elmer
    John Elmer
    Headstone; Inscription: Headstones Reads: [Front from D Street] In Memory of Hiram Elmer born in Orange Co. Vermont, June 4. 1816. Died Sept. 30. 1909 [Right side] In Memory of Mary H. wife of Hiram Elmer Born in state of Ohio. Apr. 16. 1829. Died Dec. 10. 1902. [Base] Lo[?] Where this silent marble weeps. A friend, A wife, A mother sleeps A…
    John Elmer
    John Elmer
    Headstone - Close up
    Person ID P460  Curbow Montoya Family | Curbow Family Branch, Montoya Family Branch, Spencer Family Branch
    Last Modified 2 Sep 2013 

    Father William Elmer,   b. 1745, Somers, Tolland County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1840, Somers, Tolland County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 95 years) 
    Mother Mary Kibbe,   b. 21 May 1749, Somers, Tolland County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1844, Somers, Tolland County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 94 years) 
    Family ID F87  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 1 Sarah Peake,   b. 9 Jul 1784, Promfret, Winsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 9 Oct 1838, Orean, Vinton County, Ohio Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 54 years) 
    Married 1797  Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • The marriage year comes from Family Data Collection - Marriages and is NOT otherwise sourced by me. If the date is correct, Sarah would have been only 13-14 years old at the time of her marriage. Her first child is said to have been born in 1802 - 5 years after the marriage. I believe that the 1797 date is unlikely. [14]
    Sealed S (LDS) 6 May 1848  Winter Quarters, Douglas County, Nebraska Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • Notes from Blaine Spencer; 2 Jun 2008: Marriage sealed in Brigham Young's Recorder's office at Winter Quarters on the 6th of May 1848 at 3:55 p.m. to Sarah Polly Peake for eternity.
    Children 
    +1. Tryphenia Elmer,   b. 27 Apr 1802, Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1884, Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 81 years)
    +2. Cynthia Elmer,   b. 1804, Norwich, Hartford County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1875, Camp Point, Adams County, Illinois Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 71 years)
     3. Samuel Fifield Elmer,   b. 1806, Norwich, Hartford County, Connecticut Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1838, Orean, Vinton County, Ohio Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 32 years)  []
    +4. Wealthy Elmer,   b. 1808, Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1851, Lee County, Iowa Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 43 years)  []
    +5. John Elmer, Jr.,   b. 1810, Underhill, Chittenden County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 Sep 1881  (Age 71 years)
    +6. Sarah Elmer,   b. 20 Sep 1813, Canada Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 20 Aug 1889, Payson, Utah County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 75 years)
    +7. Hyrum King Elmer,   b. 4 Jun 1816, Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 30 Sep 1909, Payson, Utah County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 93 years)
    +8. William Warren Elmer,   b. 16 Sep 1820, Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 14 Dec 1894, Ogden, Weber County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 74 years)  []
    +9. Ira Bartlett Elmer,   b. 2 Aug 1823, Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 20 Jun 1903, Thatcher, Graham County, Arizona Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 79 years)
    Last Modified 2 Sep 2013 18:30:17 
    Family ID F85  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family 2 Harriet Matilda Gould,   b. 11 Aug 1802, Hector, Schuyler County, New York Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 31 Jul 1879, Fillmore, Millard County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 76 years) 
    Married 1841  Winter Quarters, Douglas County, Nebraska Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. Jerusha Kibbe Elmer,   b. 10 May 1842, San Prairie, Lee County, Iowa Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 28 Mar 1922, Springville, Utah County, Utah Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 79 years)
    Last Modified 2 Sep 2013 19:14:16 
    Family ID F83  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsCensus - Indexed as John Elmer. His household included the following: White males under 10: 2 (Samuel and John, Jr.) White males 26 - 44: 1 (John) White females under 10: 1 (Wealtha or Sarah) White females 16 - 25: 1 (Tryphenia or Cynthia) White females 26 - 44: 1 (Sarah) Persons engaged in manufacturing: 1 Total in household: 6 (Not all the members of John's family are accounted for in this census.) - 7 Aug 1820 - Norwich, Windsor County, Vermont Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 1841 - Winter Quarters, Douglas County, Nebraska Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsSealed S (LDS) - 6 May 1848 - Winter Quarters, Douglas County, Nebraska Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - Indexed as John Elmer, age 70 born abt 1780 in Vermont; he is an LDS preacher; living in District 21; male; family 690; living with wife Harriet, age 40; also in the home are step-children: Louis Branson, 20; Syemour Bransom, 13; and Jerulia Branson, 8 {Brunson} - 1850 - Pottawattamie County, Iowa Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - Iowa, Pottawattamie County, Annotated Record of U.S. Census, 1850: Indexed as John Elmer, male, age 70; born 22 Sept 1776 in Somers, Tolland, Connecticut; LDS Preacher; died 28 Feb 1870; Father was William Elmer; Mother was Mary Kibby; Spouse is Sarah Peake, married 1822 in Norwich Windsor, Vermont; Children of Spouse 1: Tryphenia, Cynthia, Samual Fifield, Wealthy, John, Wealtha, Salley, Hiram King, William, Ira Bartlett; Spouse 2: Harriet Gould whom he married 1839; Children of spouse 2: Jerusha Kibbee and Lucretia; Source: United States Federal Census, 1850; Ancestral File; FamilySearch {NOTE: this record appears to contain some errors.} John is living with wife Harriet, age 48; also in the home: Lewis Brunson, 20; Seymour Brunson, 13; and Jerusha Kibbee Elmer, 8 - 1850 - Pottawattamie County, Iowa Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - Indexed as John S. Elmer; No township listed; State or colonial census; IA 1851 State Census Index - 1851 - Pottawattamie County, Iowa Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsArrival - John G. Smith Company 1851 Pioneer Information: Evidence from church, newspaper, and genealogical records proves he traveled to Utah in 1851. He appeared on the 1850 Iowa census, enumerated in Oct. 1850. He was on the 1852 Bishop's Report. He received his endowments in Salt Lake in March 1852. These events narrow the window of his travel to Utah to 1851. Other family traditions claim that he came in the 1852 Uriah Curtis company, but that is incorrect. He could have only traveled to Utah in 1851. With regard to John Elmer in the pioneer database (author of notes is unknown): Although your family information places John Elmer in the 1852 "Lyle" Curtis (probably Uriah Curtis company), stronger evidence more contemporary to the time shows that he came in 1851, not 1852. He and his wife, Harriet, were endowed in Brigham Young's office on 30 March 1852. This is positive proof that he came to Utah in 1851. One might argue that he could have returned to his family that spring after receiving his endowments in Salt Lake. A group of missionaries left Salt Lake on 5 May eastbound, but he was not listed among them. Also his advanced age (73) argues against him doing that. Generally it would take young missionaries traveling at a good pace 6 or more weeks to travel the 1000 miles back to Florence. He would have had little time to rest his stock and resupply for the return trip to Utah. I think the evidence is strong that he came to Utah in 1851 and stayed here to greet the rest of his family who came in the 1852 Curtis company. We see these kind of errors in family biographies frequently. We don't discount family biographies out of hand, but always try to look at primary facts (like endowments, etc.) to see if the biographical statements hold up. In this case, they don't. You may see the record of John Elmer's endowment on 30 Mar. 1852 on FHL film 183393. It is so noted on the IGI - 1851 - Utah Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsCensus - Indexed as Jno Elmore, age 84 born abt 1776 in Vermont; he is a shingle maker who owns real estate valued at $150 and personal property valued at $250; male; nearest post office is Payson; living with wife Harriet, 60; living nearby is the Lucious Elmore family and the Ira Elmore family - 1860 - Payson, Utah County, Utah Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 11 Feb 1871 - Payson, Utah County, Utah Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBuried - 14 Feb 1871 - Payson, Utah County, Utah Link to Google Earth
     = Link to Google Earth 

  • Histories
    John Elmer
    John Elmer
    Sketch of the Life of John Elmer written by Hannah E. Elmer
    John Elmer
    John Elmer
    History of John Elmer from the International Society of Daughtrs of Utah Pioneers - author unknown
    John Elmer
    John Elmer
    Short Bio - Author is Unknown
    John Elmer
    John Elmer
    Conquerors of the West: Stalwart Mormon Pioneers, Volume 2

    Photos
    John Elmer
    John Elmer
    Owner is unknown; note on top of photo: "Heir of temple work"

  • Sources 
    1. [S2670696371] Family Data Collection - Individual Records, Edmund West, comp., (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2000.).
      John Elmer; Spouse: George Williams (WRONG); Parents: William Elmer and Mary Kibbe; Born: Tolland, Sommers, Connecticut (CONFLICTS); Born 22 Sept 1778; Died Payson, Utah on 28 Feb 1871

    2. [S2692017223] Millennium File, Heritage Consulting, (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2003.Original data - Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA: Heritage Consulting.Original data: Heritage Consulting. The Millennium File. Salt Lake City, UT, USA).
      John Elmer; Male; born 22 Sept 1778 in Somers, Tolland, Connecticut; died 11 Feb 1871 in Payson, Utah, Utah; buried 14 Feb 1871 in Payson, Utah, Utah; married 1801 in Hartford, Windsor, Vermont; had a son William Elmer

    3. [S2743604922] 1790 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Heads of Families at the First Census of the United States in the Year 1790. Washington, D.C.: Government), Source Citation: Year: 1790; Census Place: Somers, Tolland, Connecticut; Series: M637; Roll: 1; Page: 175; Image: 485; Family History Library Film: 0568141.

    4. [S2718256148] 1800 United States Federal Census, (United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Second Census of the United States, 1800. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1800. M32, 52), Source Citation: Year: 1800; Census Place: Hartford, Windsor, Vermont; Roll: 52; Page: 400; Image: 390; Family History Library Film: 218689.

    5. [S2884009262] 1820 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Fourth Census of the United States, 1820. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1820. M33, 14), Source Citation: 1820 U S Census; Census Place: Norwich, Windsor, Vermont; Page: 349; NARA Roll: M33_128; Image: 216.

    6. [S4273286822] Membership of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1830-1848.

    7. [S2625403972] 1850 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, ), Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: District 21, Pottawattamie, Iowa; Roll: M432_188; Page: 107B; Image: 220.

    8. [S4273286830] Iowa, Pottawattamie County, Annotated Recordsof US Census, 1850.

    9. [S2751774877] Iowa Census, 1838-70, Jordan Dodd and Liahona Research, comp., (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1999.Original data - Compiled and digitized by Mr. Jackson and AIS from microfilmed schedules of the U.S. Federal Decennial Census, territorial/state censuses, and/or census substitutes.Or).
      John S. Elmer; No township listed; Pottawattamie County; IA 1851 State Census Index

    10. [S2625378497] 1860 United States Federal Census, Ancestry.com, (United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States, 1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1), Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Payson, Utah, Utah Territory; Roll: M653_1314; Page: 864; Image: 333; Family History Library Film: 805314.

    11. [S2624684266] Utah County, Utah Cemetery Index, Utah Valley Regional Family History Center, (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1998.Original data - Utah Valley Regional Family History Center. Utah County (UT) Cemetery Index. Provo, UT, USA: Utah Valley Regional Family History Center, 1997.Original data: Utah Valle).
      John E. Elmer born 22 Sept 1776 and died 11 Feb 1871; buried Payson Cemetery

    12. [S4273286788] Web: Utah, Find a Grave Index, 1850-2011.

    13. [S4273286846] Web: BillionGraves.com Burial Index.
      John Elmer born 20 Sept 1776, age 94; died 10 Feb 1871; buried Payson City Cemetery; Payson, Utah, Utah

    14. [S3179114245] Family Data Collection - Marriages, Edmund West, comp., (Online publication - Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2001.).
      John Elmer x Sarah Polly Peake married 1797